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From: Ah, Sordid
Subject: From the Mailbag
Date: March 12, 1991
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*** CuD #3.08: File 2 of 6: From the Mailbag ***
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Subject: SWBell PUC ruling a bad precedent.
Date: Fri, 8 Mar 91 16:11:22 CST
From: peter@taronga.hackercorp.com (Peter da Silva)
> From: Visualize Whirled Peas <brewer@ACE.ENET.DEC.COM>
> Subject: Sounds good... court ruling on BBS in SW Bell
The associated ruling is *not* a good precedent for future cases or law,
because it establishes that the phone company can charge based on the type
of information shipped over a phone line, rather than on the usage
patterns, whether the customer is running a business, or one of the
established bases for discriminating between customers.
With the phone companies trying to get into the information provider
business this is a bad precedent indeed. I understand that Hirsch and co
had other concerns, but we're all going to have to watch the various PUCs
like a hawk for references to this. Don't let it become an accepted
practice, or the future may see BBSes charged out of existence while the
phone companies push videotext services like Prodigy or SWBell's
"Sourceline".
--
Peter da Silva. `-_-' peter@ferranti.com
+1 713 274 5180. 'U` "Have you hugged your wolf today?"
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From: P.A.Taylor@EDINBURGH.AC.UK
Subject: Re: QUick quesiton
Date: 09 Mar 91 13:04:32 gmt
Hi, I'm a 2nd year postgrad doing a PhD on the rise of the computer
security industry, system break-ins, browsing and viruses.
1. Would any of you be prepared to answer a questionnaire with the
possibility of a more in-depth e-mail discussion if you are amenable to it?
2. Is there anyone out there in The Netherlands or Germany who would be
prepared to brave a face-to-face interview with me. I was planning to go to
those countries in 3-4 weeks time and possibly again in the summer.
Obviously, I would also be keen to interview anyone in the U.K. at any
time.
ALL RESPONSES ETC. WILL BE TREATED WITH THE UTMOST CONFIDENCE AND ANY
FINDINGS WILL ONLY BE USED FOR ACADEMIC PURPOSES AND NEVER WITHOUT THE
PRIOR CONSENT OF THE SUBJECT. I CAN SUPPLY BONA FIDES OF MY ACADEMIC STATUS
IF REQUESTED.
Thanks very much in advance,
Paul A. Taylor Department of Politics, Edinburgh University.
P.S. I WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO *BOTH* SIDES OF THE SECURITY DEBATE.
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From: zane@DDSW1.MCS.COM
Subject: Civil Disobedience" and Freedom in the 90's
Date: Sun, 20 Jan 91 19:54:47 CST
Our freedoms today are being rapidly eaten up. The RICO laws and
Operation Sundevil are examples of this. Eric Postpischil
(edp@jareth.enet.dec.com) has written a very good article giving
examples of our rights and how the government is observing them in this
the 200th anniversary of the Bill of Rights.
But I will not dwell on what is going wrong; I think that many of you
already know that we live in a near-police state and those of you who
don't are quite the optimists. Many people are complaining about these
rights and their loss, yet no one seems to be doing anything. On the
RipCo, I was commended for my bravery for writing a letter to my Senator.
There is nothing brave about this. What is brave is actively protesting,
such as those who are currently protesting the War in Iraq, or, even
more brave, those who are trying to make their views on abortion known,
from lying in the paths of potential abortions, to simply marching on the
capitol.
We in the Electronic Frontier have no such people. Most people in the
Electronic Frontier are people who WANT something done, but are not
willing to go about doing it. The Electronic Frontier Foundation is a
prime example. The EFF has done quite a bit for Freedom in the
Electronic Frontier, but it is just waiting, waiting for change to come
about slowly by petitioning the legislator. This is very slow, and by
the time that works, it will be out of date. I had thought that what the
EFF was doing was good enough, until I read "Civil Disobedience" by Henry
David Thoreau. Then I realized that more must be done. One person can
make a difference, and we are many. We do not have to wait until we
convince the majority, says Thoreau, all we have to do is do what we feel is
right, and change will come about.
Thoreau, because he did not want to pledge his allegiance to the
State, did not pay his poll tax for six years. He did not like the
actions of the government, so therefore did not want to support them with
his money. (The actions at that time were the Mexican-American War, and
slavery.) He did not wait until his petitions to his legislators
were answered, they are sluggish. He constituted a "majority of
one."
Something must be done to protect our freedoms in this nation. We have a
great code in our Bill of Rights. We must protect that. That is our
obligation as citizens and patriots. Current actions are very slow, and
more MUST be done.
"Civil Disobedience" can be obtained at the CuD archive at
cudarch@chsun1.uchicago.edu, ftp.cs.widener.edu, or by archive server at
archive-server@chsun1.uchicago.edu. Read it.
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From: Rambo Pacifist
Subject: Computers, Movies, Media, and Madness
Date: Sun, 10 Mar 91 21:28:21 PST
Bob Izenberg's summary of bad computer flix reminded of a few others. Who
can forget that giant system in the tv show The Prisoner? Anybody ever see
that system, that probably didn't have the capacity of a 386 s/x, actually
DO anything? And what about the computer banks in all those B-movies? Lots
of lights with some poor schlub sitting in front of them--what are all
those lights for? They're all designed alike. Wonder if AT&T owns the
proprietary source code for the set design. There is a merciful god,
because I've forgotten the name of the flick where the computer falls in
love with some kid and tries to subvert his romance with a real-life
bimbette who prances around with mindless dialogue and rice-pudding for
brains--the sad thing is, it's not intended to be so mindless. And anybody
remember the Lost in Space computer? But my favorite all time computer is
from Bad Science--I'm typing this during a thunder storm hoping something
will get zapped and it will clone another Rachel Ward. With my luck, tho,
I'd get a coupla' Unix.
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